2013-04-06, 07:33 AM
Does anyone have ideas about the original trilogy? I gotta admit that I really have zero understanding of it. My interpretation is no better than matching meaning to moving pictures.... kind of like how foreign films would be be translated before people got all concerned about preserving the meaning of the things being said.
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Seems to suggest that there was a great war, if not the first, the last, that somehow ended thanks to a warrior called "The Dragon of the Forest" who is either faerie or demon. And a prophecy that they would one day return. The only way to read that insinuation wise is Jean is the beginning of a prophecy, and a resurrection of "The Dragon of the Forest". It says he will possess a magical weapon, so that can only be the Moonlight. It seems to prophesizing his rise to king as a kind of savior.
Then what happens in 2? I can't figure out why there is a burst of blue light. I know a little while back to mark the Tsunami some blue lights were aimed up into the sky in Japan. I don't know if that is tradition or what. But pictures in Time magazine looked like how that is described in the intro. Is that Guyra being summoned? Or just a distress signal to get people to come to the island?
Anyway, it seems like a force of knights investigate the island, and then Aleph shows up later. How did the Moonlight get to Guyra? Seems like Dias would have had to stolen away with it, and brought it to Melanat. Can we assume Guyra is controlling Dias? Seems like deciding to go to Melanat of all places is an odd decision.
Dias' title is Pope. Does that make his minions Monks? They kind of look like monks to me. Who were they originally? Did they guard the mines or something? It certainly looks like a Lovecraftian cult setup. And Guyra in KF2 definitely looks like a Lovecraftian monster.
Do people worship the Dragon of the Forest? Or is that just an old prophecy? Do they associate it with Holy magic? If so is Pope a proper title? Like Dias thanks he's found the object of worship. But presumably the object is not quite what you'd expect, still its the object nonetheless? Maybe the "monks" just think they're taking orders from the Holy Dragon of the Forest.
It seems like if Dias can control night and day (I don't think that would survive a remake) then that would be the work of powerful light magic you'd think. Almost like the island is lost out of time or something. That would be reason enough to follow his orders. Especially if monsters rule the night.
I am not sure it adds up however you cut it. Its difficult to assign motivations to Guyra. Maybe Guyra and Seath are bored and want to die so they can recharge or something, but won't allow each other the favor. Or maybe they want champions to try to kill the other because if they tried to fight that would somehow bring them back together. Like maybe that's how Valad ensured they'd need to gather armies around themselves.
There's definitely a lot to unpack here. Even armed with the definitive (read: literally translated) story they might not add up to much. But how can we make them add up to something is the bigger question?
PS: I like the idea of the monster Seath in KF3 not really being Seath, but being a kind of half Valad half Seath thing. Like if when Guyra is killed in KF2 the Dark Slayer could get stuck in him, so he can't come back. Then that means half of Valad is restored. Then that just leaves Seath. So you take the Moonlight and kill the Seath half in KF3. The Moonlight seals off Seath...
So that in a new IV (see subject post) can have the player find both swords stuck in the roots of the Dragon tree, where the roots would vaguely resemble the dragons. The Dark Slayer would be in a subterranean chamber that is inaccessible until game V where the continent is flooded, so water has filled up the caves, and you can explore more of the chambers that way.
Then you wouldn't get to see Seath proper until VI, but VI would come before III anyway, so it wouldn't really matter. Guyra in II could be more interesting than in VI because he could have those qubits each form a magical field so that you'd have to take them out to break down his defenses against the dark slayer. Plus in VI as planned Guyra would be Milia making an illusion, so he would be easier to best.
EDITED: It's possible "Dragon of the Forest" could be read as the person possessing the Moonlight. Plus there is the special armor in KF1 that is sealed off, that is Forest Dragon Armor or something. So to say the least a man once wore it that must have been the so-called "Dragon of the Forest". Maybe Guyra is just trying to steal that title because he happens to be a dragon??? I dunno. I like the idea of the warrior being a Dark Elf that escaped from Melanat with other Dark Elves that were enslaved by High Elves, and made their home in the northern forests surrounding the Veld sea carrying on their worship of Guyra in the form of Milia who would act as an emissary since Guyra cannot leave Melanat for some reason (but I like the idea of him being a faerie/demon even better, which would make him one of Guyra's (proposed) experiments like Milia... in theory it could even be Milia if she is that badass and we just don't know it)
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Seems to suggest that there was a great war, if not the first, the last, that somehow ended thanks to a warrior called "The Dragon of the Forest" who is either faerie or demon. And a prophecy that they would one day return. The only way to read that insinuation wise is Jean is the beginning of a prophecy, and a resurrection of "The Dragon of the Forest". It says he will possess a magical weapon, so that can only be the Moonlight. It seems to prophesizing his rise to king as a kind of savior.
Then what happens in 2? I can't figure out why there is a burst of blue light. I know a little while back to mark the Tsunami some blue lights were aimed up into the sky in Japan. I don't know if that is tradition or what. But pictures in Time magazine looked like how that is described in the intro. Is that Guyra being summoned? Or just a distress signal to get people to come to the island?
Anyway, it seems like a force of knights investigate the island, and then Aleph shows up later. How did the Moonlight get to Guyra? Seems like Dias would have had to stolen away with it, and brought it to Melanat. Can we assume Guyra is controlling Dias? Seems like deciding to go to Melanat of all places is an odd decision.
Dias' title is Pope. Does that make his minions Monks? They kind of look like monks to me. Who were they originally? Did they guard the mines or something? It certainly looks like a Lovecraftian cult setup. And Guyra in KF2 definitely looks like a Lovecraftian monster.
Do people worship the Dragon of the Forest? Or is that just an old prophecy? Do they associate it with Holy magic? If so is Pope a proper title? Like Dias thanks he's found the object of worship. But presumably the object is not quite what you'd expect, still its the object nonetheless? Maybe the "monks" just think they're taking orders from the Holy Dragon of the Forest.
It seems like if Dias can control night and day (I don't think that would survive a remake) then that would be the work of powerful light magic you'd think. Almost like the island is lost out of time or something. That would be reason enough to follow his orders. Especially if monsters rule the night.
I am not sure it adds up however you cut it. Its difficult to assign motivations to Guyra. Maybe Guyra and Seath are bored and want to die so they can recharge or something, but won't allow each other the favor. Or maybe they want champions to try to kill the other because if they tried to fight that would somehow bring them back together. Like maybe that's how Valad ensured they'd need to gather armies around themselves.
There's definitely a lot to unpack here. Even armed with the definitive (read: literally translated) story they might not add up to much. But how can we make them add up to something is the bigger question?
PS: I like the idea of the monster Seath in KF3 not really being Seath, but being a kind of half Valad half Seath thing. Like if when Guyra is killed in KF2 the Dark Slayer could get stuck in him, so he can't come back. Then that means half of Valad is restored. Then that just leaves Seath. So you take the Moonlight and kill the Seath half in KF3. The Moonlight seals off Seath...
So that in a new IV (see subject post) can have the player find both swords stuck in the roots of the Dragon tree, where the roots would vaguely resemble the dragons. The Dark Slayer would be in a subterranean chamber that is inaccessible until game V where the continent is flooded, so water has filled up the caves, and you can explore more of the chambers that way.
Then you wouldn't get to see Seath proper until VI, but VI would come before III anyway, so it wouldn't really matter. Guyra in II could be more interesting than in VI because he could have those qubits each form a magical field so that you'd have to take them out to break down his defenses against the dark slayer. Plus in VI as planned Guyra would be Milia making an illusion, so he would be easier to best.
EDITED: It's possible "Dragon of the Forest" could be read as the person possessing the Moonlight. Plus there is the special armor in KF1 that is sealed off, that is Forest Dragon Armor or something. So to say the least a man once wore it that must have been the so-called "Dragon of the Forest". Maybe Guyra is just trying to steal that title because he happens to be a dragon??? I dunno. I like the idea of the warrior being a Dark Elf that escaped from Melanat with other Dark Elves that were enslaved by High Elves, and made their home in the northern forests surrounding the Veld sea carrying on their worship of Guyra in the form of Milia who would act as an emissary since Guyra cannot leave Melanat for some reason (but I like the idea of him being a faerie/demon even better, which would make him one of Guyra's (proposed) experiments like Milia... in theory it could even be Milia if she is that badass and we just don't know it)