Come on gang, let's take the piss out of Holy Diver because that's how we roll!!

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(2009-10-29, 08:08 AM)HwitVlf link Wrote: Holydiver, it doesn't sound like you are looking for a consensus as much as trying to bully people into doing it your way.
My college degree is in English and I'll say some things I learned along the way. Dictionaries are 'descriptive' not 'prescriptive'; they simply describe words people are already using, they do NOT comment on the accuracy of those words nor do they limit what words people can use. After all aint aint a word but it's in the dictionary. The sole purpose of language is to convey an idea and any word that does not convey its meaning, is incorrect regardless of what a dictionary says. Most computer terms were coined by quasi-mathematicians, often with poor language skills (Bill Gates comes to mind) and they have simply 'bent', misused and mischosen many words (see obfuscated exe).

I believe you are wrong about SoM (as it currently is) mainly being a stepping stone for aspiring developers; they are more likely to spend their time using tools like Dark Basic or coding their own game engines. Also, the RPG Maker series was not mainly used by children, children don't tend to have the focus to make their own games. The main audience of my translation as well as the RPG Maker series is intelligent game fans who want to do something fun in their spare time.

Of course you can use whatever terms you want in your work and you are free to do a complete retranslation of SoM (I think you'll be amazed how much work it is).? But I really wonder, why not just make a game maker from scratch instead of trying to hammer SoM into a tool that's advanced enough to be useful for aspiring developers?

First off, dictionaries are primarily a resource... you can either find a word in them or not. And secondly I can't think of a single hard computer science term which is not entirely appropriate. Most terms are not new words at all as you suggest. They are very old words given additional meaning (which can be found in a dictionary)

I said RPG Maker "was marketed" to children. Just because you want to make a game does not mean you want to be a programmer. But most of what SOM leaves available to people to do falls loosely into the programming category. Ie. there's no reason not to use appropriate terminology. I never knew you used RPG Maker as a reference. I had assumed you'd looked up translations for the Japanese used by SOM.

I think you're denying a consensus to form by you attitude. We can list off the terms and go over them one by one, but you're attitude is in the way. I respect your work as much as everyone here, but I'm probably unique in being willing to challenge you at the same time. I have the long term best interest of the community in mind, and you have a bad attitude. Some words such as Command vs. Instruction I am fervently opposed to and wouldn't stand for a translation without this change. But in most cases I'd just like to see a discussion be allowed to happen. And if some one has valid alternative to Instruction we could consider that (for example)

You will always find me taking the moral high ground whether you or anyone cares for my presence or not. So let's not make this a personal matter ok Aroused
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Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-26, 11:08 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-27, 01:44 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-27, 02:03 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-27, 03:54 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by dmpdesign - 2009-10-27, 05:14 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-27, 06:45 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by dmpdesign - 2009-10-27, 02:00 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by lavaelf1024 - 2009-10-27, 08:47 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-27, 08:58 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-28, 08:48 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by lavaelf1024 - 2009-10-28, 08:54 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-28, 09:28 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-28, 09:33 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by kilroyfx - 2009-10-29, 04:31 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 08:03 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by dmpdesign - 2009-10-29, 08:12 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 08:21 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 08:22 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 08:31 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by kilroyfx - 2009-10-29, 08:59 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by dmpdesign - 2009-10-29, 09:01 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by dmpdesign - 2009-10-29, 09:24 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 09:57 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 10:11 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 10:51 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 11:08 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-29, 11:12 PM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-30, 02:36 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-30, 02:47 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by dmpdesign - 2009-10-30, 02:58 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-30, 03:14 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by Hguols - 2009-10-30, 03:17 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by kilroyfx - 2009-10-30, 03:19 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-30, 03:58 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by Hguols - 2009-10-30, 04:00 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by kilroyfx - 2009-10-30, 04:11 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by kilroyfx - 2009-10-30, 04:20 AM
Re: SOM Terminology - by HolyDiver - 2009-10-30, 04:29 AM



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