Fences and Books

[Holy_Diver]

I'm behind on reading, but wow... 12,400 yen... I'd say we have a new friend

Speaking of which, two of us have a hard copy of SoM now I think? Are the chances of someone scanning the packaging/documentation any better now?

[Holy_Diver]

I hadn't thought about using a counter to seal it and blanking the sealed message.? I did notice the lack of a top on bars though.? If you could rotate around the x or z axis it wouldn't be a problem but you can't.? Even so, there are a few sealed doors and chests I was thinking about so blanking out the message would make this slightly confusing because I want the player to know that the seal is there.

My copy cost 12,400 yen from Yahoo Auctions and came with everything, including the receipt when purchased by the original owner.? Apparently, you can still order SoM by telephoning From Software's sales department for a slightly lower price but that could just be out of date information.

I think none of this has been covered yet... but the "sealed" message is different from "locked" ...sealed is something you would probably use less often, and could probably afford to use an event when necessary. I choose to not use any of the default messages other than for level ups indicators, because a normal message pauses the game, so it's just not natural to have two classes of messages, one that pauses, and one that doesn't, under the same circumstances. SoM is full of this sort of completely half-assed crap. If it wasn't a license to make KF games, I'd ridicule it to no end

For flipping, there is a way to officially do this for objects, but it doesn't work with 90% of object files, including doors. John said once he knew the byte in the profile file that changed this (for any object presumably) but he never gave us the details at the time (just saying he posted it elsewhere) ...I'd like to know myself, but haven't felt like cracking into the files, and probably won't anytime soon. There is another trick you can use to flip things like doors upside down... though it's a bit counter-intuitive. If you enter the piece assembly menu in the map editor, and set the objects model to one with xyz freedom, then change x or z, then change back to the original model, the xz will be remembered. You can't tell in the editor (other than the xz numbers are there) but it will be apparent inside the game. So if you know where an objects axis is you can position it this way without modifying the files. For doors, you want to set the Y to the height of the door, then set the x or z axis to 180 (depending on the rotation of the door) ...that will flip it upside down with the top on the ground (in the game -- but in the editor you kinda have to use your imagination... I actually end up doing this really quite often to good effect)


PS: About the price tag / order form on the From corporate site. I asked about it once, and someone brought up a story about someone they knew trying to do that and getting an apology letter about that shop no longer being in service (and the information bad) ...but most often supposedly you will not get a reply from that email address.

Edited: The locked message is a little different from the "dead" message I guess, so it's probably worth leaving in. But you can actually make things very convenient for the player by setting up your own lock events, like saving them from having to do trial and error with every key, which I personally think is just an indignity. Even if you know what key it is, stumbling thru your inventory is a pain in the ass for most games.

[MaskedGamer]

actually let me be a little more precise, since the question will likely arise.

doing the above will allow you to make 'usable' items but not equipment.

if you want to start making equipment let me know, i have that tutorial section just about done.

Yeah, I plan on using it as a quest item and/or "Tome of Identification." ‎  The manual wasn't too clear on how those items work so I'll figure that out later. ‎  Anyways, I have a copy of the book that fits in the inventory now and that's enough for the moment. ‎  Equipment is out of my league at the moment so I'll stick with the default weapons and equipment for now.

Speaking of which, two of us have a hard copy of SoM now I think? Are the chances of someone scanning the packaging/documentation any better now?

If I see any other copies online I can let everyone know but I lack a scanner. ‎  I can try to use one at work but that's iffy. ‎  I can probably get some good scans at the end of August though. ‎  That's no problem but I wont be able to scan anything soon.

I think none of this has been covered yet... but the "sealed" message is different from "locked" ...sealed is something you would probably use less often, and could probably afford to use an event when necessary. I choose to not use any of the default messages other than for level ups indicators, because a normal message pauses the game, so it's just not natural to have two classes of messages, one that pauses, and one that doesn't, under the same circumstances. SoM is full of this sort of completely half-assed crap. If it wasn't a license to make KF games, I'd ridicule it to no end

I see your point here. ‎  I'll give the "sealed message" and event method a go when I get the chance. ‎  I'm still new at this so using an event to replicated sealed things hadn't occurred to me. ‎  KF uses them those system messages so I'm still thinking inside of that box.

There is another trick you can use to flip things like doors upside down... though it's a bit counter-intuitive. If you enter the piece assembly menu in the map editor, and set the objects model to one with xyz freedom, then change x or z, then change back to the original model, the xz will be remembered. You can't tell in the editor (other than the xz numbers are there) but it will be apparent inside the game. So if you know where an objects axis is you can position it this way without modifying the files. For doors, you want to set the Y to the height of the door, then set the x or z axis to 180 (depending on the rotation of the door) ...that will flip it upside down with the top on the ground (in the game -- but in the editor you kinda have to use your imagination... I actually end up doing this really quite often to good effect)

This sounds like a round-about way of doing it but if this is the only way to do it, so be it. ‎  I will keep that in mind as I build my maps. ‎  I saw the switch in the editor when fooling around with the book from earlier in this topic but I haven't messed with any of the default data. ‎  Not that I'd overwrite it if I did...

PS: About the price tag / order form on the From corporate site. I asked about it once, and someone brought up a story about someone they knew trying to do that and getting an apology letter about that shop no longer being in service (and the information bad) ...but most often supposedly you will not get a reply from that email address.

I'll have to mail them and see ‎  ‎  There's a phone number listed too. ‎  You could call them up and ask, I suppose. ‎  It'd be better than a no-response email address. ‎  I wouldn't doubt the remaining SoM pages to be out of date.

[darchangel]

This is a very old thread but...when I tried to order Shadow Tower Abyss from their website their response was that they could not ship outside of Japan. So if you know someone living in Japan, they might be able to purchase SoM (if it's still for sale)


Also, I made another fence that matches the "Stone Stairs" piece# 708, and it covers the gaps so that you could use that piece without using the wall pieces #709 & 710. If anyone would like to use it let me or Todd know.

The only problem is that I have a customized ground texture in my game...

[Holy_Diver]

Who wanted a copy of ST:A? I have one I'd let go of for a fair price... just because I don't plan on playing it again anytime soon.